Duggle say what?
I think I have steered clear of controversy during my year of blogging, but this is an instance that cries out for setting the record straight.
Diablo, who uses the screen name "pornstar69" on Stars, posted a hand history on our Group message board early this morning about a player named DuggleBogey cracking his pocket kings with a runner-runner straight. When I read it, I assumed that Duggle was just donking it up at low limits.
It's safe to say that Diablo was. He is an extremely aggressive and (when he's not had too much to drink) talented cash-game player (but doesn't play much online). He is a terror in the $1/2 and $2/5 home games and has had some nice scores in Vegas and casinos around the Midwest. Players of his ilk (along with my paltry bankroll and mediocre skills) are why I avoid the Group's higher-limit cash games.
Lo and behold, Duggle also posted about the hand. Except he changed a few salient facts, such as the stakes being played. Duggles says it's $100NL, which by my reckoning has blinds of .50/1. But the HH posted by Diablo indicate that the blinds were .02/.05. I have no reason to think Diablo would have altered the HH. He doesn't know Duggle from any other of the millions of donkeys in the virtual poker universe.
Here is the hand history in question, abbreviated to include only Diablo's and Duggle's actions:
PokerStars Game #8079036103: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2007/01/23 - 01:03:17 (ET)
Table 'Dolios V' 9-max
Seat 1: DuggleBogey ($16.49 in chips)
Seat 6: pornstar69 ($10.92 in chips)
pornstar69: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pornstar69 [Kc Kd]
DuggleBogey: raises $0.15 to $0.20
pornstar69: raises $0.80 to $1
DuggleBogey: calls $0.80
*** FLOP *** [3c 4s Jd]
pornstar69: bets $2
DuggleBogey: raises $3 to $5
wirewraps: folds
pornstar69: raises $4.92 to $9.92 and is all-in
DuggleBogey: calls $4.92
*** TURN *** [3c 4s Jd] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [3c 4s Jd 2c] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pornstar69: shows [Kc Kd] (a pair of Kings)
DuggleBogey: shows [5c 4c] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
DuggleBogey collected $21.81 from pot
DuggleBogey said, "thanks"
pornstar69 said, "wow"
You'll notice other discrepancies between Duggle's account (slowplayed kings?) and what the HH shows. And why do I bother to bring this up? Diablo is a friend of mine. Plain and simple.
Diablo, who uses the screen name "pornstar69" on Stars, posted a hand history on our Group message board early this morning about a player named DuggleBogey cracking his pocket kings with a runner-runner straight. When I read it, I assumed that Duggle was just donking it up at low limits.
It's safe to say that Diablo was. He is an extremely aggressive and (when he's not had too much to drink) talented cash-game player (but doesn't play much online). He is a terror in the $1/2 and $2/5 home games and has had some nice scores in Vegas and casinos around the Midwest. Players of his ilk (along with my paltry bankroll and mediocre skills) are why I avoid the Group's higher-limit cash games.
Lo and behold, Duggle also posted about the hand. Except he changed a few salient facts, such as the stakes being played. Duggles says it's $100NL, which by my reckoning has blinds of .50/1. But the HH posted by Diablo indicate that the blinds were .02/.05. I have no reason to think Diablo would have altered the HH. He doesn't know Duggle from any other of the millions of donkeys in the virtual poker universe.
Here is the hand history in question, abbreviated to include only Diablo's and Duggle's actions:
PokerStars Game #8079036103: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2007/01/23 - 01:03:17 (ET)
Table 'Dolios V' 9-max
Seat 1: DuggleBogey ($16.49 in chips)
Seat 6: pornstar69 ($10.92 in chips)
pornstar69: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pornstar69 [Kc Kd]
DuggleBogey: raises $0.15 to $0.20
pornstar69: raises $0.80 to $1
DuggleBogey: calls $0.80
*** FLOP *** [3c 4s Jd]
pornstar69: bets $2
DuggleBogey: raises $3 to $5
wirewraps: folds
pornstar69: raises $4.92 to $9.92 and is all-in
DuggleBogey: calls $4.92
*** TURN *** [3c 4s Jd] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [3c 4s Jd 2c] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pornstar69: shows [Kc Kd] (a pair of Kings)
DuggleBogey: shows [5c 4c] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
DuggleBogey collected $21.81 from pot
DuggleBogey said, "thanks"
pornstar69 said, "wow"
You'll notice other discrepancies between Duggle's account (slowplayed kings?) and what the HH shows. And why do I bother to bring this up? Diablo is a friend of mine. Plain and simple.
posted by Poker Jones at 6:32 PM
14 Comments:
Interesting. The chip stacks of each indicate it was probably not $100NL.
Looks like post has been removed at Dugglebogeys?
Hmmmmmmm
wow, that's nuts.
I did see dugs post and it's still available on bloglines if you have him linked.......
wow
well well well, how interesting... How come he deleted the whole post? I guess he wanted to get rid of the evidence.
What a loser!!!!!!
Seriously. Like it changes any of our opinion of him if this happened at a $100 NL table or a $25 NL table (or a 10 cent table, which this appears to have been). What's the effing difference yknow?
Yes, I completely made up the details to make myself look good. Like I always do.
For those of you who missed it:
I Love Being Called A Donkey
from Go Be Rude by DuggleBogey
After repairing my laptop last night I decided to play some NL100 on Poker Stars, even though I hadn't finished my tinfoil hat yet.
The really interesting part of Poker Stars ring games is how many people buy in for the "recommended" buy-in at NL tables instead of the max buy-in. There was only one person at my table with more than $100 in front of him, around $105. The rest were all between $50 and $30. I could buy in and instantly be a big stack. I liked that.
I also like that it gave me some info about the table before PokerTracker even gathered any hands. I knew that the table was probably pretty soft. I decided to test that theory. I called a min-raise out of position with ATC and the flop had two spades. The raiser bet out and I called, hoping to hit my spade. Well, not really my spade since I had two totally different suits. Sure enough a spade hits the turn and the original raiser bets out fairly small. A player with position calls and I check-raise it up by the pot. Insta-Fold-Fold. I'm usually very hesitant to bluff into two players, but these guys just seemed so weak.
After 15 or 20 minutes I had chipped up to $170 without showing down a hand. On one hand I did flop two pair with AJ that became a boat on the turn, but I didn't get any action on the river, my big bet was in hopes that I had built up a bluffer image. I was calling a lot of raises pre-flop and betting when the raiser slowed down because he obviously missed. It's like they were speaking in code. If they bet the pot or higher, they hit. If they bet half the pot or less, they had given up on the hand and it was mine to take.
There were a couple of players at the table who were aggressive pre-flop, but had no idea what they were doing once a card hit the board. I call-called with K4s from the button after a min-raise by the big blind. Not exactly a monster but I had a feel for the table and position, and I felt like I could get away from the hand if my king hit but was was out-kicked. Even an average player could play ATC with position at this table. The flop was a complete miss with a seven and the original raiser min-bet $.50. I called. Turn made me open ended so I called the next min-bet. River was a king and the min-better checked. I bet twice the pot and the BB thought and thought and called with A7. I not only received the pot, but also received a lovely "Nice Catch Donkey."
I responded with "learn to size your bets and they might get respect." Nobody pushes buttons like DuggleBogey. A torrent of profanity follows, along with several "you're going to double me up you donkey." I laughed at the threat, because the player with the handle "pornstar" had about $32 in front of him and I was well over $200 at this point. "Maybe if you buy in full like a real man, I'll worry about doubling you up." Buttons successfully pushed.
But double him up I did. A few hands later he calls my QQ raise. The flop is king high and I put him to the test. Of course he calls all his chips with ace-high-nothing, and spikes an ace on the turn. The gloating was endless. Well, I'm sure it would have been.
It actually ended three hands later when I felted him with 45s vs his slow played KK. I flopped OESD and a Flush draw and rivered a straight. Like a good little soldier he rebought for $36 and some change. I guess he didn't have enough in his account to duplicate his $40 previous buy-in. Good luck pornstar. You'll need it.
Great investigative journalism. Wow.
Wow. I never realized I actually read poker blogs for their fictional content.
Imagine ... a poker player full of himself being deceptive. Never seen that animal before ...
Thanks for sticking up for me Mr Jones...I was splashing off the last of my Stars bankroll after placing 3rd in the group tourney that night, and sat down to some groovy .02/.05 play. No alteration of the hand history was made. I had Duggle completely on tilt and ready to double me up for a 3rd time when he decided hi bottom pair/bottom kicker were good. Ah well, cant win 'em all. I've lost a lot more getting kings cracked at much higher stakes. What's $10... Either way, players like that are our bread and butter, right? See you at Snow's freezeout this weekend...hopefully at the final table. - el_Diabl0
I just realized Duggle's post is here...my rebuy after getting KK cracked was like $7.06...all I had left.
I had bought in for the full $10 before that. I admit that a few of my bets earlier were fairly fishy...I was experimenting a bit. And I was the one pushing buttons, especially after he (nearly) doubled me up the 2nd time. - El_Diabl0
...and you forgot to mention that I make a great pot of chili. The best in fact. :)
Why is this so gripping?
No idea, but gotta admit it is just fucking fascinating.
Nice work Hacker.
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